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gamahuche1 month ago

Well now they've got you buried on page 32.
I actually reached it by going through all the pages..
Are these guys NUTS or what???
In my 13 years on the Internet I have almost never seen such a dog's bollocks of a mess.
They had something absolutely brilliant going - not flawless but some OUTSTANDING contributors, with some murky ones thrown in for good measure but THIS is SH**
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  gamahuche1 month ago
  
  Well now they've got you buried on page 32.
  I actually reached it by going through all the pages..
  Are these guys NUTS or what???
  In my 13 years on the Internet I have almost never seen such a dog's bollocks of a mess.
  They had something absolutely brilliant going - not flawless but some OUTSTANDING contributors, with some murky ones thrown in for good measure but THIS is SH**
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  splitrch1 month ago
  
  makes you wonder what passes for brains these days. "propeller" - I think they got their heads in anatomically impossible positions.
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  Natureboy1 month ago
  
  The medical term is cephalorectal impaction .
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jdhatl1 month ago

keep working, when you try to fix something that's not broken, it takes even more work to get it right again.
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  humemacdonald1 month ago
  
  I agree gamahuche. I said to Sumptuous last night that unless substantial changes are made I don't think I will be checking back in. very often. Although I have been busy lately, I always popped in here and there. In fact I was looking forward to getting "caught up" here during my break- I was missing the great chats.
  Alas, that plan has been scrubbed. If my friends start migrating to another site, just drop me a line to let me know where you are all hanging out. :(
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    Shadowolf1 month ago
    
    Hi Hume!!!
    a LOT of us are migrating to TrustServe...not bad; even Anioakly is behaving herself!!!
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  Mdiar1 month ago
  
  Heck, Gama, I hope that my music submission wasn't among the spam! Though I agree, as good as the song was and the fact that it did get close to forty props from real members, it didn't deserve to be on the front page for over ten hours!
  Okay, I've noticed you are particularly stringent on one complaint and its a good one. The PMing feature seems to have been removed. I don't believe this is the case; it appears to me its merely been moved. To PM enter the person's profile you wish to PM and in the upper left hand corner of the screen an option to Send Message should exist. That should let you send a PM to that member.
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    amazed1 month ago
    
    that's way too much like work!
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      ipodwheels1 month ago
      
      I think they are doing some fixing of the problems right now. I just wish they have beta tested it first. Anyway, I have made a redesign, so the guys up at the Prop office won't accuse us of just complaining and not giving any solutions. Check it out guys and lets give them a piece of our minds.
      P.S. here's the link to the story.
      http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/07/24/how-the-propeller-design-should-have-been/
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Dionys1 month ago

I think they'd better get used to it.
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damnedviper1 month ago

if same crap remains then i am out man!
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Blackacereturn1 month ago

I agree, I yhoughy i would get use to it but this takes a lot to choke down.
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  pb11571 month ago
  
  I'm right behind you...this is sofa king we todd did
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smithichie1 month ago

I am reminded by George Harrison's song, "All Things Must Pass" and I can't help but feel the loyal users of the former Propeller are being treated much like poor George was. In other words, pushed to the side with our input ignored.
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JamesMarcus1 month ago

While there are plenty of bad things to say about the redesign (and they are all getting said), I did want to make two points. First, we are definitely listening to every scrap of member feedback--in the threads, feedback inbox, site mail, and email. Our dev team is already revisiting certain features and we will be restoring some of the deleted ones very soon. We understand your frustration, and hope you will stick around long enough to give Prop 2.0 a fair shake after its bumpy debut. There are some gains here (Propeller Search, Groups, and what is projected to be a major performance upgrade, once the dust settles) and we are determined to fix bugs at record. Oh, and just for the record, nobody deliberately removed any of the earlier anti-Propeller stories. It has never been our policy to quash criticism. It looks like a spam-suppression feature may have glommed onto certain comments and stories by accident. We are fixing that right now, and it will not happen again.
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  smithichie1 month ago
  
  I haven't given up yet James, you guys got it right before, I still have hope that it can be done again.
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  chevydog1 month ago
  
  James -- Re your auto-censor feature: I used the word e-m-b-a-r-r-a-s-s-i-n-g and it bleeped me out. I know the a-s-s- combo was in there, but it seemed a bit much.
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    ind061 month ago
    
    please use the word embarrrearsing from now on. This IS a family site.
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  CrawfordBizDev1 month ago
  
  Thank you James. Just the fact that you took time to comment says volumes about propeller and its positions. All redesigns go through growing pains. I'm glad to see that propeller is listening to its users.
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    JamesMarcus1 month ago
    
    Believe me, I would have commented much earlier--in all of these threads--if my own ability to do hadn't been temporarily disabled. We are definitely listening to users, and you will see the results over the next few days. Feel free to contact me via site mail in the meantime with questions or complaints. And if that doesn't work, drop me an email: james@propeller.com.
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  scott42611 month ago
  
  James,
  I'm willing to hang around for a while to see if things improve.
  I have to ask: Were all the wholesale changes made necessary? I certainly do not mind a new look and the features you mentioned are nice additions. But couldn't the previous format have been tweaked to accommodate those additions?
  Scott
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    amazed1 month ago
    
    And for whatever reason, I have tried to change my avatar two or three times and it just won't upload so I am stuck with that dorky cartoon.
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  raats66621 month ago
  
  The 'changes' don't bother me nearly as much as the 'bugs'. If this is successful it will be the first time I'm able to 'reply' and I've tried to reply over 2 dozen times. I'm also getting REAL tired of getting error message and being told of 'pot holes'.
  Fix this crap and one can at least TRY to decide if one is willing to accept the 'changes'. As it stands right now....why would I visit a site I'm unable to participate on?
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smithichie1 month ago

A moral lesson the folks who run Propeller could have used before launching this mess.
Here's a few of those lessons that were obviously 'overlooked'.
• It's the community, stupid.
• Many players don't experience a persistent online world as "a game." They experience it as "my life." An online world's hardcore players view themselves as citizens. Some want to be good citizens, some bad, but the entire core wants to believe they belong to something permanent.
• Big changes after launch drive away existing players and make newcomers mistrust you.
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  amazed1 month ago
  
  Especially when there was little warning. One day I had about a bajillion friends and the next --none. Not a huge deal, because I basically just communicated with them on the threads and I have a real life, but what about those for whom Propeller was their major social outlet?
  Again, the missing "my participation" link and the inability to see beyond the first 25 comments make this site nearly useless for its intended purpose -- a discussion of issues.
  I'll give it a week, but I am actively looking for other places to comment.
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alakazam1 month ago

I wanna share a link to a story about what happens when you make subscribers unhappy and then ignore and attempt to silence them.
A moral lesson, if you will.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_101/560-Blowing-Up-Galaxies
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  MikeWesner1 month ago
  
  Hello, Participation is now activity on the sidebar (from your profile link). It appears you have 65 friends, 7 idols, 282 fans. idols are people you added but have not added you, and fans are people who have friend requested you, but you have not added them...etc. Friends are mutual adds. You do have your privacy settings set so most people can not see your friends.
  We have fixed the comment paging issue also.
  Thanks for being patient with us. Please let us know if you run into any more issues.
  -Mike (prop developer)
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  MikeWesner1 month ago
  
  Hello, Participation is now activity on the sidebar (from your profile link). It appears you have 65 friends, 7 idols, 282 fans. idols are people you added but have not added you, and fans are people who have friend requested you, but you have not added them...etc. Friends are mutual adds. You do have your privacy settings set so most people can not see your friends.
  We have fixed the comment paging issue also.
  Thanks for being patient with us. Please let us know if you run into any more issues.
  -Mike (prop developer)
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    RickyDawkins1 month ago
    
    The stories are starting to look better, and it seems less ********** to load the pages than it was before. Odd quirk in the message center, anything I write all gets pushed together into one paragraph. For example:
    This. would.
    
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    Looking like this:
    This. would. end. up.
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      RickyDawkins1 month ago
      
      and just got censored for writing the word
      "c-u-m-b-e-r-s-o-m-e"
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  slate1 month ago
  
  I did a spoof about Obama s*elling things with his logo on it amd it was considered spam because the few words like B- uy and others were there.
  So if you ain't B- uying a debate on here you misght want to use another term,
  I thought the community did a pretty good job of telling the staff about spammers. Now we have become the spam of we use the wrong words in a post.
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  Blackacereturn1 month ago
  
  I would hate to see any of you guys go, we have had some good conversations and even fights on here. I am staying and I am asking all of you to do the same...this is just new and most people don't like change, however, if nospindave or libsrfun or Ag or any of my friends on the left were to leave this wouldn't be the same experience. Propeller please get this corrected and soon. My Plead to all of you it to give them at lease a month after all they have really been good to us and James deserves better he is really a good person...well he did get last weeks review totally wrong by not mentioning Tony Snow but where else can you rip a guy like James and have him say hi the next day and joke with you like nothing happened. NO I AM NOT BEING PAID...while i disagree with lots of you on here it doesn't mean I hate or dislike any of you. Truth is i enjoy each and every one of you. So please give it some time!
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  chevydog1 month ago
  
  This is probably going to take some getting used to. Suspect that there are some "tricks" that nobody knows that will make it work better. The old site had it shortcomings-- randomized placement of posts, etc. ; but this verion seems to go out of its way to aggravate. Rather than an official bug-swatter, think that this will require unbanning DDT, an army of programmers, and several psychiatrists.
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markmawn21 month ago

Wow. You try and post, then when it NEVER appears, you post again, and Voila! You are removed as SPAM!!!
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  markmawn21 month ago
  
  There is a distinct boundary where clever design, ingenuity and trendy graphics overshadows usability. I believe that boundary has been crossed.....
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ADAGUY1 month ago

And you think they care what you like?
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  TheRealizer1 month ago
  
  I think they the geniuses that designed this fiasco don't really care what we think...
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  alakazam1 month ago
  
  As previously pointed out by my prior post, that would be a very foolish attitude.
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TightBlueJeans1 month ago

I agree, this site is now like a second job, lol. Way too much time spent in getting nowhere!! Not user friendly although, once some of the bugs are worked out, some will stay. It still will not be what we have on other sites. It's gone back in time. People are much more educated and sophisticated for this type of site these days. Unless the computer is your life, this is not a healthy one!!
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  Justice4All1 month ago
  
  If they really put a lot of work into it they might make it almost as good as the old Propeller. Seems like a lot of wasted effort.
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tanglang1 month ago

What can I say? This sucks. Over the last couple years I have grown to love propeller as well as it's members. Even the rabid libs that I would fight with to what seemed like no end. You will all be missed. I really hate that it has come to this but I have no interest in attempting to navigate this abortion of a news site. Anyone wishing to contact me knows what site I will now be on. So unless I find out that things here are once again back to normal, this will be my last post. And I will leave you with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9DgT-aWqE
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Mutainia1 month ago

Will this take? Testing, testing? So far, NONE of my comments have stayed in the new Propeller.
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  HannibalBarca1 month ago
  
  Sorry to see you go tang, but I feel the same way; this is a crock of ****, and if the word **** is censored then obviously when those powers in charge can use that word in an article, but I can't, then there is no value no value in our thoughts.
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  RickyDawkins1 month ago
  
  you ain't going anywhere, til i say so
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    ind061 month ago
    
    Well, I'm not exactly a "power", though my article DID use the word "Sh*t" in the title, but I would like to point out that that's because I wrote SH*T and not ****
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    cushi1 month ago
    
    Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
    As much as we argue and bloody each other verbally (what fun!!) I will miss you if you go. Heck, who will I have to kick around anymore? (smile)
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      cushi1 month ago
      
      Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
      As much as we argue and bloody each other verbally (what fun!!) I will miss you if you go. Heck, who will I have to kick around anymore? (smile)
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        TightBlueJeans1 month ago
        
        Well I was fairly new and just getting to enjoy the site and the people, got to know many great guys. But who has time to play with this or wants to? Yes, I know disappointment, not sure where one is at or how to do anything. When you do figure it out, you have to start all over again. Take care.
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    cushi1 month ago
    
    Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
    As much as we argue and bloody each other verbally (what fun!!) I will miss you if you go. Heck, who will I have to kick around anymore? (smile)
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  JamesMarcus1 month ago
  
  Okay, the commenting mechanism has now started to improve. I know that for a fact, because I was unable to comment myself until about 15 minutes ago. Now look for a revised and streamlined comment format, and the return of a few other cherished features. We really are working on this stuff, as fast as possible.
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        ind061 month ago
        
        It's the anti-pi xie contingent.
        May I add to your list?
        -lack of one-click posting in favor of cut and paste
        -inability to list my comments and thus keep track over time of responses to what I said
        -a generally obscure rating system that is abstract at best has been traded for something fairly straightforward
        -as an adult (mostly) I would be happier without the "Mr. Wizard" cartoon character. I can head over to Cartoon Network's site if I want that.
        -Posts no longer have category headings
        -Reduction of thirty categories to five in favor of "group" system.
        -Inability to notify friends of post
        -combined with loss of "friend's submissions" feature makes it virtually impossible to tell anyone when you've posted a story. This is playing out in massively decreased vote totals across the board which translates into less participation.
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    smithichie1 month ago
    
    Good list Alpha, how about adding a little less eager filtering process? p ic and p ixelated? Geesh.
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      amazed1 month ago
      
      okay, but why did you launch this without announcing that the day was here ? We just came on and BANG! I thought I was at the wrong URL with a site that was still under construction. It doesn't look finished.
      Why launch when you knew (or should have known) there were still such obvious glitches -- the inability to post, the inability to go beyond the first page of comments.
      You kept telling the community how great the new Propeller was going to be. I thought you were going to address such issues as the random placement of posts, the double comments, the double words at the line wrap, the pokiness of the page loading. Instead, there is a totally new (and not particularly attractive) interface, everyone's avatars are gone, everyones' friends are gone, everyone's history is gone. How did you think this would result in a warm reception?
      I admit that I am not on the site 24/7 so perhaps I missed the user surveys asking us what we liked about Propeller and what we felt needed improvement.
      Or, perhaps like the liberal politics that Propeller is obviously skewed towards, you just believed you knew better about what we would want and need than we did.
      This re-vamping might very well have been a really good idea, but, boy the execution of it is a true fiasco.
      The only way for change to work is to make the people most affected by the change believe they own it. This was SO foisted upon us, that now, in addition to having to get your users learn how to navigate the changes, you have overwhelming resistance to overcome.
      Good job, James.
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        flyonthewallzz1 month ago
        
        I really miss:
        Not being able to see who agreed or disagreed with comments.
        I fear this Billy goat may be walking on a bridge with may invisible trolls underneath.
        And it would be all to easy to agree with comments that have the type of nastieness I usually refrain from voting for.
        It meant a lot to me, when someone who dissagreed with me about most stuff found something to agree with.
        Perhaps I just havn't found that feature yet.
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        GWHayduke1 month ago
        
        Too numerous to list.
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        populist1 month ago
        
        Great recommendations AG. thank you!
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  Natureboy1 month ago
  
  Dammit, made me pos ya.
  Who knew it would come to this?
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  gamahuche1 month ago
  
  I agree with your list AG, EXCEPT for emoticons and moving whatevers..
  Oh - and I'd like to see lol and its various offspring and derivatives get bleeped into permanent exile.
  All methods of shortchanging reality are potentially toxic. :)
  Except that one!
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  JamesMarcus1 month ago
  
  Busted! The DNC made us do it.
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    jordan111 month ago
    
    Or the liberal Democrats>>>>
    LOLOL, had to give you a positive for making me laugh. Thanks!
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Melbatross71 month ago

Or as usual - could blame the "fundies".
There really should have been some instructions as to purpose of design. It really seems a bit of a mess....BUT.......don't totally give up. I only had to take off half a day to figure the entry into this schumozel. I actually see some merits to the design and as with all new changes...WE HATE EM'.......but eventually get used to the different approach and deal with it.
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canadianrancher571 month ago

I have never been a quitter and have grown to enjoy the comments and personalities of the propeller members , so to make it short and sweet I will not jump ship just yet and I hope that those who I have come to enjoy will make the effort as well. I thought that the site really sucked this morning but am trying to get familiar with the new format.
Those who I have come to admire on here may not share beliefs on alot of topics but I feel most are strong enough to give this a try. For those of you who decide that this is not your thing I would like to thank you for your comments and ideas in the past and it has been indeed a pleasure to know you even if we have never met . I wish all of you the best in your lives and wish now that I had made an effort to get to know some of you better . Once Again to those who are leaving Thanks for the moment.
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  RickyDawkins1 month ago
  
  If every story on the FRONT page is ALWAYS a 10, can you PLEASE shrink the SIZE of the TEN or ELIMINATE it ?!!
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  canadianrancher571 month ago
  
  I hope that tang doesn't leave , even as a person closer to the center than the right I always enjoyed his views and that goes for so many on the right. There is a part of me that admires true conservatives and their ideas and I would hate to lose that part of this community.
  As for you Alpha , I'm looking forward to more stories from you just hope I can find them .
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    chevydog1 month ago
    
    CR -- I was dismayed as I tried--unsuccessfully-- to do stuff that was easy on the older incarnation. But I'll keep trying. As I look at this 'upgrade', I can't help but conclude that whoever was responsible for it had a model in mind and didn't know or care care how the old system worked.
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  slate1 month ago
  
  I really liked it here and want to stay, and gave been asked to stay and give it a chance. I will stay a while longer, nut if it takes as long as the other times 'they' were fixing problems as we moaned about them I'm outta here.
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sailr1 month ago

Anyone know a GOOD blog site now that propeller sucks the big one?
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agrovertic1 month ago

This is not good really not good,anyway criticism for building is good and encourage but if the criticism is something condemn it not healthy..come on grow guys
http://moneymaker-affiliate.blogspot.com/rss.xml
http://www.guncobra.com
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damnedviper1 month ago

come on tang just give it a few more days. see if it improves. you cannot abandon something you love so quickly. same is the case with me man.!
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JJman1 month ago

I don't understand why they implemented this lame new design without asking the users! The administrators probably think that most Propeller users are aged 6-12. Otherwise I can't explain why they put that Cartoon-styled dork as a maskot of the website. Propeller users are serious people who don't need a cartoon design.
I believe that now most people will leave for other social websites that don't treat their visitors like children.
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  cantfoolme1 month ago
  
  The problem is that the Propeller Site was on it's way to evolving beautifully into the perfect species . This new "re-start from scratch" is Creationism at it's worst.
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